Titanium Carabiner (Behind The Scenes)

It’s been a while since I did a video…

And, well, here you go:

P.S. It’s a sneaky “behind the scenes” look at a high-end titanium carabiner I’m bang in the middle of developing.

I’m happy if you don’t share this with anyone else (because, to be brutally honest, it’s still at an oh-my-god-that’s-kinda-ugly stage).

  • Bryan Bair says:

    Love the carabiner, would love to see one with a bottle opener on it. I am definitely interested.

  • Kirill says:

    My only hope is when you finally produce it, it is going to be of the same size as shown on this video. I have your HookUp™ Clips (although you call it a clip, but it is also a small titanium carabiner) and I always suffer trying to attach something to my jeans with it.
    Almost forgot – nature on behind is great!

  • Bob Gelb says:

    Rounded edges and more rounded bar stick, not square.

  • John Baring says:

    Awesome – I like the direction. Wonder about side pressure popping spring but know you will find the solution

  • Richard says:

    The spring concept proto looks quite good. As others have said ‘ not too boxy’ looking in the final product please. I do like the proto’ size and it would be quite usable.

    Any thoughts to its weight bearing capabity?

  • Robert Ferguson says:

    Carabiners have been used primarily for mountain climbing and are meant to be extremely secure (see Wikipedia). I, for one have no need for one. But if you are re-designing it, then I would strongly suggest that you make it suitable for climbing and functional enough to be used where safety is critical. If you just wish to make a key clip, then I think you should come up with a totally new design.

    • Ron Hollatz says:

      A technical climbing carabiner is really overkill made out of titanium. If you have done any climbing, you typically carry a bunch of carabiner. It would cost a small fortune to be equipped for climbing with a dozen or so carabiners.

      I like the smaller versions to use as keyhooks, and a couple larger ones for attaching items to my pack or holding up my hammock. Hopefully this new one will be larger than the key clips, but not overly large like a climbing version. I’d definitely be interested on a pair for my hammock.

  • Jesse says:

    Cool look into your design process, thanks for sharing! Look forward to seeing the finished product!

  • Sean Logue says:

    The spring idea is a good one, if it won’t slip off the hub. I like the general size. The last carabiners you did were a little too small for me.

  • Wesley Tullos says:

    I love it! The video threw me into the way-back machine and reminded me of your first video on the ViperFish! Needless to say, I watched it twice. I really like the design and the size of it. Of course you know all the problems that come with making climbing gear, so I would suggest not trying to make this specifically for climbing. I think these would be great for edc or for people who do rigging (but only to haul up gear like cables, etc). I really like it and I do actually like the “boxy” design. I can’t wait to see how you machine the edges and lock the gate in. Keep up the good work. Hope to hear more from you soon.

  • Michael says:

    I agree with most of the other comments regarding size and shape. Messing with the shape a bit;

    http://imgur.com/22W2L6L

  • Daniele Alexander says:

    Nice! I like it. It would be perfect to use it for attaching my new titanium wallet to my belt loop 😀

  • Jürgen Buschek says:

    I like the concept! And I also like the Scene behind the fence of “Behind the Scene”… 🙂

  • Wow!

    This is an extremely original design of the gate mechanism. I know too much about carabineers and their structures; I designed a few of them myself in the past.

    With thousands of designs on the market it is very difficult to find a new functionality and it’s rare to see an original design (the S model by Nite IZE, a “double gate” design by grivel.com).

    And yet Magnus did it again – a brilliant design and a perfect project for KS.

    I wouldn’t worry about the gate slipping sideways. This is an early prototype and there are many other issues to solve – it’s easy enough to stop this gate from slipping in the final design.

  • Glad you’re working on a ‘real’ carabiner!

    Will you be pursuing weight & safety tests for this carabiner so that it is less of a novelty / EDC “toy” and more of a “serious utility” (perhaps even climb/rappel-enabling) item?

  • Paul Rogers says:

    Great Video! Where do I send my money!! Please put my name on the list for two of your new carabiners. They are going to be amazing. Thanks

  • Mike says:

    Having been a long-time aficionado of climbing carabiners and having backed multiple Ti carabiner projects on Kickstarter, I’ve a set of goals I’d recommend you shoot for to have your product truly stand out. These boil down to making your carabiner function as well as a climbing carabiner. It’s not that you’re rating your carabiner for climbing loads, but rather drawing from what that industry has learned over decades. The list:

    1) The gate should open fully, with a smooth feel and gradually increasing tension from fully closed to fully opened, with the gate touching the spine of the body.

    2) As a corollary to a fully-opening gate, the physical design should maximize the size of the object that can be inserted into the carabiner. In other words, a 2″x4″ carabiner that can fit a 1″ dowel rod is more useful than another of equal size that can only fit a 0.75″ dowel rod (all else being equal).

    3) The gate should have an interlocking meetup with the body, which centers the gate with respect to the nose of the body and reduces gradual deflection of the parts as off-axis stresses are used to open the gate. By having the parts line up when closed, it also reduces snag hazards and accidental openings.

    4) Rounded edges and corners everywhere. The cross-section of the body should be a rounded rectangle instead of having sharp angles where the sides meet. This will reduce wear and tear on any belt loops, bag handles, or other soft materials placed through the carabiner.

    Those are some of the key features and benefits of “real” carabiners that I seldom see in indie projects. Again, it’s not that you’re trying to build a 25kN-rated climbing tool, but rather you want to incorporate some of the niceties that serious tools have to make your product more special from a practical perspective.

  • Enrique says:

    Hi Magnus,
    Really liked the video, I think it’s great you take the time to show us some of these ideas & prototypes. I do like the clip idea, it looks like it’s got a nice feel to it. I guess it’ll also lock into the upper part so it helps keep the Carabiner’s shape if one pulls from both ends?
    I guess I’d also like to see something that could be beyond only a keychain, as you’ve already done that (although keep those around as well!). I guess you already know Ti2 Parabiners, but something which, like those, can hold your weight would be really cool!

  • Klyph says:

    I am +1 for the idea that the carabiner should be strong enough to hold body weight under tension. Ie. repelling i can live with a biner that can’t take falls in my day to day life but have no use for one that does not have a a lock and even less use for one that does not have a bite at the top of the gate. there are way to many “carabiner type objects” out there. please if your making high end and functional make it everything it should be. one that fits all rolls. thanks Magnus. keep uP the good fight:)

  • Mike says:

    For those looking for a climbing carabiner, it takes a lot more than mere load ratings. If the gate deflects to the side, an opening is created through which a rope can escape. If the body’s edges are sharp, there will be increased stress on any rope passing through the carabiner, including small-radius bends that reduce strength.

    Whether I’d trust my life to something depends on MUCH more than a single load rating number.

  • Hi Marcus,

    Plenty as already been said. I climbed for many years and I’ve been using a “Dynex Dogbone” from Black Diamond for at least 10 years now as my “key chain” combine with those cheap carabiners they actually sell for 5-8$. (I’ll send you a pic if you want one). I clip it through one of my jeans belt hoop and slip the rest in my front pocket. Tada! about the same carabiner size as your prototype.

    The third prototype was really nice! Nice “rivet pin” if I may say?

    Some people said the gate should open a max, it is a good idea.

    You also have to make sure it will stand the side pressure and the actual gate won’t pop off.

    Since this should be an everyday EDC more than a “real climbing gear”, the overall shape should allow the top part of the carabiner to naturally “SLIP” to the major axis of said carabiner. This way you prevent the thing to unclip itself from your hold. Same goes anyway to real climbing gear.

    Even if you want a “design look” to it, your clip securing itself in the “nose” of your carabiner should prevent some more slippage from whatever it’s clip into and would really make it FIRST in it’s class…Ti wise, that is.

    And finally, All of it round edges,buffed, nothing close to square to prevent cutting through any material it is clipped in.

    Hope it will be useful.

    Keep it up, I wish I had more money!!!

    Martin V

  • B Alan Eisen says:

    I don’t see what this does that your last clips don’t do. I really am glad that I got at least one of each of those. I don’t know if I would need this. If it could support the weight of a human, than I might get one for my emergency bag.

  • Klyph says:

    Another + 1 to Mike and martin’s cesinct insights

  • Klyph says:

    Another +1 to both Mike and Martin’s persice insights

  • Rambo says:

    suggest not to make the tip of the “gate” extended to the inside. otherwise a belt loop may slip into the gap and open the gate.

  • David says:

    In regards to your latest ti carabiner, I’d like to see you incorporate some multi-tool functions such as this one:
    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mikebond/ti2-para-biner/description

    And, to hide your gate mechanism, maybe some sort of key holder like this one:
    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fortiusarms/keybiner-the-carabiner-refined/description

  • Dave says:

    A design that would interest me enough to buy is one where there is an additional safety mechanism to prevent the carabiner from opening and losing items (this has happened to me with cheap ones).

    I would want it fast opening like a spring loaded sliding barrel that prevents the carabiner arm from swinging open. Some real carabiners have screw down barrels and that is too slow to open but provides maximum safety.

    There might be some other way to cleverly make a different mechanism to prevent accidental opening.

    I would use this for keys as every day carry, not for mountaineering as was mentioned before you need to many for real climbing.

    Perhaps incorporate a pry bar or bottle opener into the design or hidden sliding driver bits that can extend/retract for use. yeah, that is starting to get out there.

    Good luck, looking forward to see where you go with this.

  • Vian says:

    Magnus,

    Looks like no one has posted for a few weeks. I like the idea of the carabineer and I really like your design even in its rough shape. My biggest concern is cost. What are your thoughts on price? Are you any closer to production? Ya’ know there is one out there called the Droid 58, it looks really cool but it costs $275….for a carabineer, and it’s kind of weird with some rubber O rings as a hidden locking mechanism. Anyway I really like your design, keep after it and let us know once they are ready for sale. Keep up the good work. Thanks.

    Alan

  • Joie Gahum says:

    Do they have these on roadeavour?

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