God’s Kitchen: Titanium Tweezers (V3)

You know it’s funny…

I had planned to reply to every one of your comments on this post about the new Titanium Tweezers design – but I woke up to see there were 70 (yes, 70!) comments.

And, because so many people provided so much rock-solid and well-thought-out feedback in the comments, I realized it would take hours to reply to each one. So I did something with that time which (I think) was a lot smarter…

…instead of replying to every comment I just worked my way through the comments and took notes and spent some time re-designing the comments based on what you told me. I like to think I really listened to what YOU told me. I really appreciated the candid, honest and open feedback – thank you.

Before I continue…

For sure it will be impossible to make everyone happy – I want to just mention that now. The ultimate end result of these tweezers will be a balancing act of… listening to everyone… taking note of and focusing on the most important requested features (as opposed to the “nice to have” features)… and maintaining the level of quality I hold myself to.

Oh, actually, you might find this interesting:

These tweezers are a good example of the process of how I design, prototype and produce products. It seems a lot of people (well, businesses) say to themselves, “How low a price can we make this for?”.

Not me. No sir!

The cost to produce is not something that factors into any part of this process. I have a specific vision for the ultimate titanium tweezers …and these get made regardless. If they turn out to be $30 to produce or $150 to produce …it makes no difference to me. They’re getting made exactly how I envision them to be.

If I must sell them for $60. Great. If I must sell them for $250. Great.

 

Okay, so, let’s talk CHANGES to the tweezers…

I’ve taken what you said and these are the changes I will be making to the design:

#1 — They should be wider (to help stop the “rolling” when in use)

#2 — The tips should be the same (because pretty much everyone finds them excellent in that regards)

#3 — The grips should be less “aggressive” than the original design (not everyone felt this way – but the majority seemed to prefer the new, “circle” grips)

The biggest change is #1 above. And the reason for this is that I will have to use titanium plate that is a lot thicker than the one I had planned to use. I was going to use 4mm …but it’s now going to be something like 7mm or 8mm.

Now it gets trickier because I feel that if the entire tweezers were, say, 8mm thick it would be too much metal for the purpose. Yes, I know, some of you might say that a solid, heavier feel might be better – but here’s one of my core “secrets” when designing: “If it doesn’t need to be there …get rid of it” (this is why my stuff generally ends up with a minimalist look :-D)

So the plan is to cut away some of the areas of the tweezers where the material really doesn’t need to be there.

Here’s an example of what I’m talking about:

TiTweezersV3-3-480

TiTweezersV3-4-480

Note: the above is a very rough mock-up to get the concept across to you – the proportions are off and it won’t look this “clunky” in the end (the final product will be far more refined …of course it will! :-P).

So, that’s where I’m at right now with the tweezers. Again, all feedback appreciated.

Oh, damn, I forgot to mention one more thing:

The smaller tweezers…

They are going to be unrecognizable (basically, imagine the most awesome pocket-size titanium tweezers you can …and then multiply that awesomeness by a bajillion! :-D).

I’ll have to hold you in suspense with these for now as I’m in full-on-really-can’t-show-anyone-because-it-might-not-even-be-possible mode. More on this soon!

  • Bent says:

    Very cool
    Can you make them pocketable
    Safe to carry in your pocket without stabbing yourself ?

  • Joseph says:

    Magnus, I thought I recalled you showing some sort of tweezer/holder combination at some point in the past. By that I mean it was tweezers that nested or snapped into a holder that was key ring compatible. Does that ring a bell or am I making things up?

  • David A Katz says:

    Look great!! Can you add a mm ruler on one of the sides so that they can be used to measure as well?

  • Damien says:

    Have you considered putting a little O at the bottom end of the U, so that it could be hung off a ti- carabener?
    (Not something you’d do all the time, but it would be nice to have the option.)

  • Florian Ladwig says:

    I still think some kind of “clip-in” holder would be nice, maybe to attach to your keys or something like that

  • Lonn says:

    Magnus I think you’ll want more grip than the circles will have, especially for wet conditions.

    I think you could also offer a titanium “sheath”. Basically make a horizontal cut just above the angled part of the tips (or any other retaking mechanism). Then make a short cover that was slightly narrower than the tips. The tweezers would keep the cap on with tension and would have to be depressed to release the cap.

    This will protect the tips and also bags or legs or whatever might get punctured by your excellent tips.

  • reiner says:

    hmmm..still think it needs a lanyard hole, what about a small (2 or 3mm) hole in the arch for running a lanyard threw, either that or i will just drill a hole threw it when i get them

  • David Curtis Smith says:

    I think they’re great, but can they bring about world peace too? hahaha

  • RyanTV says:

    I like the new design. I’m not sure if I like it any more than the original though. I would like it were they a bit bigger than the originals I find them a little hard to use because of their size.

  • Charles M Holmes says:

    Magnus…

    Looks like you have a straight vice slanted tip. Personally, I like the slanted tip; however, perhaps you should consider making two versions particular to different applications. I still prefer the style you have now, but there is nothing wrong with testing the market.

  • P McGraw says:

    Dear Magnus,

    Please don’t cut away the thickness of the titanium at the hinge/fulcrum end. It’s needed here so that the beaks only move in one single plane (i.e. open and close) – the beaks should not be able to slide across each other when in the closed position

    • glenn says:

      I agree. That was my first thought. I googled “high quality tweezers ” a few weeks back at magnus’s first redesign email, and they all had a fat rear section.

  • Syl says:

    Still think it needs a case that has a lanyard hole for easy carry. Not a fan of the angle. Have you checked out Khlip? They make titanium tweezers…. http://www.klhip.com/tweezer

  • RB says:

    Looking good. Good idea to make them wider but don’t go to far. You did point out that this will make them more expensive and (industrial) design is always a balance between the function, aesthetic and price. I would have thought 6mm would get you the necessary width for balance without going to stock that would be 1/3 more again in material cost. (Especially as most of that will be machined away).

    Agree with other comments on the lanyard hole. Perhaps less of an issue on big version but definitely on the minis. And a case or sheath – please yes. I actually use shrink wrap for keychain carry of the current minis and as a protector on the tips of the large ones. Not elegant and doesn’t do your designs much justice but it does protect them.

  • William B Schinella says:

    Great look and I can’t wait to see the final design. I am also interested in the smaller tweezers as they I am sure would be so much better than anything on the market these days!

  • Steve says:

    I’m thinking that two of the recurring suggestions could be incorporated in one (optional) item: a tip cover that has a lanyard hole in it. As one of the previous posts said, if it holds the tips under tension, it is unlikely to slip, and the lanyard hole would make it easier to carry. Then those who want protection have it, and those who don’t can stab themselves… (as I have on more than one occasion!)

  • Richard says:

    All this talk of a tip cover and lanyard holes… yes! If the two could be one piece, as Steve suggested, that would be great. I carry a pair of (rather inferior) tweezers on my keychain that have a poorly executed (the tweezers will fall out on occasion) attempt at that, so I would be interested to see what the Cogent design could be like.

  • Josh Webb says:

    Make sure the “circle” grips are hemispheres (or even shallower domes), as any internal edges (if they were cylindrical) would be pretty much impossible to clean.

  • Ron Hollatz says:

    I would like to see a set with points to dig out splinters.

  • James says:

    Magnus, would you explain why you designed the tweezers so that only the pointy ends come together, rather than having flat surfaces come together at the tips? With the flat surface areas that touch together, the tips will have more gripping ability, which can come in handy when you need to grab and pull on a thin, short thread, for example, without the tweezers slipping off or when you need to grab and pull on a rounded or cylindrical object if it is stuck to something else (think plucking short hair). When you have only the thin pointy ends touch together, you’re pretty much limited to pickup-and-move. Having greater gripping force will mean we can also have a better grab-and-pull ability.

  • James says:

    As an example of what I mean by a greater gripping force at the tips, take a look at pliers, especially the needle-nosed ones. However, I discovered that the flatness of the inward-facing surface areas of their tips are so imprecise and uneven that they cannot grab onto short threads without slipping off. The only ones that can are the needle-nosed pliers made by Klein Tools. I have one made 40 years ago that still does an amazing job at grabbing and pulling on short threads and wires. I bought another one made by Klein a couple of years ago and that also had the same precision-made quality.

    I mentioned short threads and wires, but if your tweezers had the same strong gripping force at the tips, they can be very handy at plucking short hair, something I’m sure many people do, especially women. I tried plucking a short hair with your current tweezers and, because their gripping force was so weak, they simply slipped off and could not grab onto the hair. My trusty Klein pliers, on the other hand, did the job effortlessly, but they can be unwieldy to use.

  • James says:

    BTW, by short thread, wire, or hair, I meant ones that are about 2 or 3 mm in length. My Klein pliers actually managed to grab and pull a thread that was 1 mm in length.

  • James says:

    Sorry for the multiple posts. The 1 mm thread I pulled was actually much longer. The 1 mm part was the only part that was exposed and available for grabbing. The remaining portion of the thread was dug into a piece of fabric.

  • Viv Roberts says:

    Magnus, it sounds like the beginning of the ultimate manicure set? Next a titanium comb?

  • ADAM H WOHL says:

    We love our TiTweezers.

    The only thing we would fix
    is:
    1) Make the angle a bit less, more towards perpendicular but not 90°.
    2) The gimping is great however they tend to roll a bit, not sure what you can do about that except…
    3) Make them larger, those small ones are tiny, having a third larger pair would be the perfect set of three.
    4) Make more videos and post them on YouTube, your a good looking guy with a great accent. Show us how hard it is for you to do what you do so well. Just like these written updates you send, talk to us in the video it doesn’t have to be long or elaborate it just has to be the hard working and talented Magnus sharing with us his “Adventures with Ti”.
    Sincerely,
    Adam

  • B Alan Eisen says:

    Adam is right. Your videos were what made many Viper fish regular customers. I like your videos. I look forward to them.

  • va says:

    How slippery is Ti, even matte-finished? Aligned “heels” – a few °s less than parallel surfaces meeting at the tip – multiplies grip on thin and/or short hairs. Some sort of “teeth” – be it microscopic finishing – on those “heels” will help. Tension to firmly grip feel the grip, and alignment to hold any tiny thing.

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